I have to tell you something about these jeans, in the 'pre-washed black' color. They really are a deep, solid black; almost double-dyed, not the black and white twill-like material that some competitors use. I wish red Kap would offer this black in their dungaree and duck jean styles.
And, they are tough. I had my last pair for 10 years, and I work in a factory.
I'm going to order a couple more pair.
Marshall R.